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		<title>By: Ute Gudat</title>
		<link>http://cerealcommas.com/blog/?p=490&#038;cpage=2#comment-2551</link>
		<dc:creator>Ute Gudat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised there aren&#039;t more reviews on this post.  In any event, it was a nice read, so much appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised there aren&#8217;t more reviews on this post.  In any event, it was a nice read, so much appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyla Hargenrader</title>
		<link>http://cerealcommas.com/blog/?p=490&#038;cpage=1#comment-2067</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyla Hargenrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 22:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know exactly what you&#039;re talking about. I&#039;m going through the same thing currently... Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly what you&#8217;re talking about. I&#8217;m going through the same thing currently&#8230; Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: The First Rule of WSN? You Don&#8217;t Talk About WSN &#124; NYU Local</title>
		<link>http://cerealcommas.com/blog/?p=490&#038;cpage=1#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>The First Rule of WSN? You Don&#8217;t Talk About WSN &#124; NYU Local</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was officially fired from the paper yesterday after his treasonous attempts at stimulating a discussion about the relationship between NYU Local and WSN. Though there is no gag rule explicitly outlined [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was officially fired from the paper yesterday after his treasonous attempts at stimulating a discussion about the relationship between NYU Local and WSN. Though there is no gag rule explicitly outlined [...]</p>
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		<title>By: An Open Letter To WSN &#124; NYU Local</title>
		<link>http://cerealcommas.com/blog/?p=490&#038;cpage=1#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>An Open Letter To WSN &#124; NYU Local</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the weekend, your former editor and current contributing writer Sergio Hernandez posted about “The Embittered Feud Between NYU’s Junior Journalists” on his personal blog. The post itself was worth reading, but part of Sergio’s response to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the weekend, your former editor and current contributing writer Sergio Hernandez posted about “The Embittered Feud Between NYU’s Junior Journalists” on his personal blog. The post itself was worth reading, but part of Sergio’s response to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: S.P. Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://cerealcommas.com/blog/?p=490&#038;cpage=1#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>S.P. Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sort of stumbled across this post on the series of tubes and thought I&#039;d bring in a question from up north.

Why can&#039;t you kids play nice? 

I&#039;m the managing editor of &lt;a href=&quot;massdailycollegian.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Massachusetts Daily Collegian&lt;/a&gt;, the independent student paper at UMass Amherst, and we had a similar institutional bone to pick for a little while with the new kids on the block, &lt;a href=&quot;http://amherstwire.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Amherst Wire&lt;/a&gt; when they started up.

Eventually, we realized that it was stupid and petty - and that the grad students still have a paper we can dick on - so why hate on New Media? Now we&#039;re media partners, and share stories and resources. We&#039;re both stronger for it.  

Then again, we&#039;re just state school kids, so what do we know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sort of stumbled across this post on the series of tubes and thought I&#8217;d bring in a question from up north.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t you kids play nice? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m the managing editor of <a href="massdailycollegian.com" rel="nofollow">The Massachusetts Daily Collegian</a>, the independent student paper at UMass Amherst, and we had a similar institutional bone to pick for a little while with the new kids on the block, <a href="http://amherstwire.com" rel="nofollow">The Amherst Wire</a> when they started up.</p>
<p>Eventually, we realized that it was stupid and petty &#8211; and that the grad students still have a paper we can dick on &#8211; so why hate on New Media? Now we&#8217;re media partners, and share stories and resources. We&#8217;re both stronger for it.  </p>
<p>Then again, we&#8217;re just state school kids, so what do we know?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://cerealcommas.com/blog/?p=490&#038;cpage=1#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no clue. Even I barely read WSN much these days (and my involvement as a writer is mainly a contributed piece here and there).

That said, unless things have changed, I think the editorial board is given some pretty generous leeway in what it writes, and I&#039;m not sure how much oversight Rachel and Mary-Jane actually assert over it.

But for what it&#039;s worth, I did read the rest of your post, and I thought it was, as usual, well thought out and well articulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no clue. Even I barely read WSN much these days (and my involvement as a writer is mainly a contributed piece here and there).</p>
<p>That said, unless things have changed, I think the editorial board is given some pretty generous leeway in what it writes, and I&#8217;m not sure how much oversight Rachel and Mary-Jane actually assert over it.</p>
<p>But for what it&#8217;s worth, I did read the rest of your post, and I thought it was, as usual, well thought out and well articulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Eisenhood</title>
		<link>http://cerealcommas.com/blog/?p=490&#038;cpage=1#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Eisenhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sergio, this is a great post. I&#039;ll note, briefly, that you&#039;re right about your &quot;breaking the story&quot; point. I used the phrase more in the sense of bringing it to NYU&#039;s attention and providing commentary. WSN then largely copied our idea.

However, if we want to talk about shoddy fact checking, just read the rest of my post that you critiqued one line from. Has WSN published a correction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergio, this is a great post. I&#8217;ll note, briefly, that you&#8217;re right about your &#8220;breaking the story&#8221; point. I used the phrase more in the sense of bringing it to NYU&#8217;s attention and providing commentary. WSN then largely copied our idea.</p>
<p>However, if we want to talk about shoddy fact checking, just read the rest of my post that you critiqued one line from. Has WSN published a correction?</p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
		<link>http://cerealcommas.com/blog/?p=490&#038;cpage=1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I agree with you completely there.

Expecting credit is &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; an issue for me because, like you said, it&#039;s an online thing. And WSN&#039;s online presence is, really, merely a formality. Which is the problem.

I&#039;ve long held that WSN needs to beef up its Internet presence, both to supplement and enhance its coverage, and for the benefit of students who use WSN as a training ground. Newspaper experience is good and all, but that alone won&#039;t help anyone get a job in this industry once they graduate.

Part of the problem, I guess, is the print edition. Without sufficient content, it would be redundant to publish articles on the website as they&#039;re filed; the next day&#039;s paper would have no new, substantive content and it&#039;d be a waste of time and money to produce and publish.

That delay is sort of a double-edged sword.

On one hand, it absolves WSN of owing some kind of credit or attribution: &quot;Why would we credit NYU Local for scooping us? We were able to confirm and report this story ourselves, &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; took it further with our own reporting. They may have done it first, but we can do it ourselves and we can do it better.&quot;

And that would be fine, except they frequently &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; do it much, if at all, better.

But if you&#039;re going to sacrifice timeliness, then you&#039;d sure as hell better have some worthwhile incentive to lure readers with.

If and when WSN&#039;s online coverage is up to speed and they&#039;re still not crediting you when something breaks, by all means, go after them. But right now, they&#039;re completely different beasts. One of which, I agree, is risking a slow, quiet death if it doesn&#039;t wise up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I agree with you completely there.</p>
<p>Expecting credit is <em>only</em> an issue for me because, like you said, it&#8217;s an online thing. And WSN&#8217;s online presence is, really, merely a formality. Which is the problem.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve long held that WSN needs to beef up its Internet presence, both to supplement and enhance its coverage, and for the benefit of students who use WSN as a training ground. Newspaper experience is good and all, but that alone won&#8217;t help anyone get a job in this industry once they graduate.</p>
<p>Part of the problem, I guess, is the print edition. Without sufficient content, it would be redundant to publish articles on the website as they&#8217;re filed; the next day&#8217;s paper would have no new, substantive content and it&#8217;d be a waste of time and money to produce and publish.</p>
<p>That delay is sort of a double-edged sword.</p>
<p>On one hand, it absolves WSN of owing some kind of credit or attribution: &#8220;Why would we credit NYU Local for scooping us? We were able to confirm and report this story ourselves, <em>and</em> took it further with our own reporting. They may have done it first, but we can do it ourselves and we can do it better.&#8221;</p>
<p>And that would be fine, except they frequently <em>don&#8217;t</em> do it much, if at all, better.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re going to sacrifice timeliness, then you&#8217;d sure as hell better have some worthwhile incentive to lure readers with.</p>
<p>If and when WSN&#8217;s online coverage is up to speed and they&#8217;re still not crediting you when something breaks, by all means, go after them. But right now, they&#8217;re completely different beasts. One of which, I agree, is risking a slow, quiet death if it doesn&#8217;t wise up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha. I agree with you on most points. And re: the crediting thing, I think that&#039;s a fundamental difference between the way print journalists think and the way online journalists think. WSN&#039;s website is simply another medium to display their print product. For NYU Local, our website IS our product. I think WSN runs the risk of seriously alienating the tech savvy masses if they don&#039;t learn that a website is not just another way to display print content; online and print content are, and should be, totally different. Both mediums have their pros and cons, but when content gets put on the internet, it should be adjusted to coincide with the internet&#039;s journalistic ground rules. Clearly we&#039;re coming at this from different angles, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha. I agree with you on most points. And re: the crediting thing, I think that&#8217;s a fundamental difference between the way print journalists think and the way online journalists think. WSN&#8217;s website is simply another medium to display their print product. For NYU Local, our website IS our product. I think WSN runs the risk of seriously alienating the tech savvy masses if they don&#8217;t learn that a website is not just another way to display print content; online and print content are, and should be, totally different. Both mediums have their pros and cons, but when content gets put on the internet, it should be adjusted to coincide with the internet&#8217;s journalistic ground rules. Clearly we&#8217;re coming at this from different angles, though.</p>
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